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Subject: Re: Brake E500
From: "Tiger" <tiger0002(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brake E500
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:17:53 -0400
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Possibly if you change all the rotors, calipers, mounting bracket, pads and
possibly your wheels if no room.
I find MB rotors tend to be enough for most people. The biggest single
improvement I highly recommends to anyone who wants better brake is to
change the brake pads to aftermarket brands. It is instant, economical and
major improvement over factory pads. For most people, I would stick with
Ceramic type pads such as Akebono Euro Ceramic pads.
Next stop up would be Hawk racing pads sold by Tirerack... PBR Metal
Master... but with these pads, you must understand that the pads need to be
warmed up for optimal braking power... so the first braking action in the
morning seems kinda numb but after this, the hotter it get, the more
grabbing power it has. I have been using Metal Master for years... I think
about 13 years... This is tried and true pad old tech.
Carbon pads are best used to tracks only...These really really needs to be
warmed up. Unsuitable for normal driving unless you really are willing to
understand the behavior of these pads.
I don`t know or have any experience with the latest pads... I once had
Performance Friction Carbon pads back in 1993 and boy, they really need warm
up.

From: "me" <someone(at)microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: Brake E500
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"Tiger" <tiger0002(at)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Possibly if you change all the rotors, calipers, mounting bracket, pads
> and possibly your wheels if no room.
>
> I find MB rotors tend to be enough for most people. The biggest single
> improvement I highly recommends to anyone who wants better brake is to
> change the brake pads to aftermarket brands. It is instant, economical and
> major improvement over factory pads. For most people, I would stick with
> Ceramic type pads such as Akebono Euro Ceramic pads.
>
> Next stop up would be Hawk racing pads sold by Tirerack... PBR Metal
> Master... but with these pads, you must understand that the pads need to
> be warmed up for optimal braking power... so the first braking action in
> the morning seems kinda numb but after this, the hotter it get, the more
> grabbing power it has. I have been using Metal Master for years... I think
> about 13 years... This is tried and true pad old tech.
>
> Carbon pads are best used to tracks only...These really really needs to be
> warmed up. Unsuitable for normal driving unless you really are willing to
> understand the behavior of these pads.
>
> I don`t know or have any experience with the latest pads... I once had
> Performance Friction Carbon pads back in 1993 and boy, they really need
> warm up.
Tiger have you experienced increased wear on the disk rotor with non OEM
pads? (especially the Hawk). I usually change my rotors every other pad
change.

From: "Tiger" <tiger0002(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brake E500
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:06:48 -0400
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Actually it is the opposite. The rotors last longer. I find with factory
pads, rotors wear out real fast... this is usually due to glazing... the
increased heat and friction as compared to upgraded pads.
Since the upgraded pads grabs much quicker and faster... there seems to be
less heat and wear... don`t quote me on this. I know this is very
subjective.
In my 13 years of experience with Metal Masters, the pads last longer and
the rotors never glaze.
Another upgrade I always do is buy slotted rotors. These last even longer
than standard rotors and stop way way better than stock rotors.
I also had cross drilled rotors for nearly 8 years before I had to change it
out... These are awesome but noisy... sounds just like airplane braking
after you land... However, I find the slotted rotors just as good and much
quieter.
So, a pad change with slotted rotors and your brake is pretty awesome.
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